Judy wrote:
and in your word, we were here as a group to cheer you on and witness your brilliant passage into stardom.
I don't think they get how much Josiah secretly disdains them and laughs at what worsters say about them secretly and often publicly ..maybe we all picked the wrong guy..see how she still sucks up and tries to make him feel pity for them and obligation to them
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject:
Judy wrote:
Along the way, I met some wonderful people. We connected because of you and worked together with one purpose in mind....to help you prosper in your journey.
that is fucking false..they worked with one purpose in mind and lockstep and that is to promote themselves as the bnbs, create a secret club--one private club after another.. a place where they could tell each other how wrong I was about them being conformists, permissive parents, bad influences, hypocritical, insane and other traits they showed continually..I can't even imagine he rotten stuff they are spewing about the worsters...if they went after me, a pretty nice person --that hard. Keep that in mind, worsters, when you feel bad about dissing Judy and doc prego..what the hell have they said in private...in their little clubs.
When they stick together and bash someone they label as Josiah's enemy, this way they could get positive feedback for their bad behavior, gain points in their minds) for defending him and making him beholden to them for protecting him and agreeing with him and have a common enemy thus elevating themselves and getting themselves a laugh..well, who is laughing now Judy..in truth, I don't laugh but I do marvel at karma and how you all are getting what is due. You tried your damndest to try to win points with him by coddling him, and going over the top in support and it all backfired..I
one purpose in mind, yeah right don't put on airs and false statements to gain Josiah pity
..to diss his girlfriend and disrespect her,
to kick out the object of your desire from his own fansite cause he stuck up for lake lilly and he told you guys what he thoughts of how you are.
One goal, indeed, l and that was to brag about how special you all were and to make yourself the center of his page..
to make the bnbs Dallas takeover a big event and pump yourselves up..even the quiet fans were disgusted by you..even Josiah had to tell you he had to spend time with other fans but you just ignored and make other fans feel slighted and jealous,...I know this is how they felt, because I asked them
Josiah stopped that with saying no more comments to others on his page when he saw your self promotion and how you kept namedropping the names of the bnbs and VFTW finished you off...stopping short and missing some of you...who continue to post inanely.
Reading that you all had one purpose in mind is probably one of the most ridiculous things you ever said, Judy..it is stupider than your philosophy discussion for your purpose was multi-factored and promoting you and your friends far exceeded promoting Josiah..even your help of Sharon was infused with self-promotion in trying to get your wicked stepsister sized foot in the door of his inner circle.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject:
Judy wrote:
I personally fought like hell against those that came to your myspace to put you down, to stomp on your dream....you know who you are.
you and Karen and others had no right to stop free speech and sweep out the trash and keep lists..99% of the people who posted on his myspace were fans..noone was coming there to put him down and stomp on his dreams. you delusional bitch.
Most of the 10% or less making less than perfect "rainbows and puppies comments" were offering him savvy advice on ways to help him retain his fan base, act more maturity, point out things he did that were wrong (and we all know there are no perfect people), or try in some some way to help him. Most said this in ways that attempted to be kind and yet offer him insight...you and he never got that..a few were outraged with his ridiculous comments and finally said something. These bad guys "stomping on his deams' were maybe less than 1%..ohh that is a battle, soldier Cootie.
Judy, who asked you and Debra and Karen --who asked you to fight his battles for him. he is savvy enough to fight his own battles without some middle aged weird Frau's trying to define his page into their weird image and make his page look ridiculous and hypocritical..a man demanding free speech who doesn't give the slightest inch others looks bad and you should not have "helped him" Now you want points for it..go suck a dick.
A guy who lives in a car at 17 and lives through his mom's horrible illness does not need your help. You made his page ridiculous..why do you think you are being mocked now..I said it all along but you never listened..you jjust godssiped and insulted and felt superior...now that the worsters are saying it with no pity, you are finally listening but you still don't see your part in it all. They are the bad guys again. You are just as blind as ever and passing the buck.
..who appointed you his mommie, grandmommies or keepers of the gate and of the page and who decided his page would be a land of "puppies and rainbows" and who in the Sam hell told that rude person grannie hag tard, to think she could dictate what I said on there..she was the rudest person ever..who appointed you guys for all this absolutely noone..noone.
I bet you all hatched it all up on your three way calls...this we will defend our guy to the bitter end..fucking idiots all of you. Desperate for his attention. simply desperate to be noticed by him.
The kid is used to fighting his own battles, you should have backed off and now you reaping what you sowed and your harvest. He has a mother..back off in your mothering and protection of a kid who wants to be a grownup..you smothered him with your solicitous behavior.
Even now. you are practically begging him to feel guilty and pointing out how important you all are to his success..you are 20 fucking, expendable people. annoying to boot
If he is not grateful to American idol for the exposure that took him from 100 views to over 2 million (granted some of it was him but to ignore their big stage is to be an idiot) but if he is not grateful to them, who he thanked profusely on TV with tears in his eyes for this "incredible opportunity that means the world" and he can turn on them who helped bring his dreams about and hate them just a few months later, then he is not going to be grateful to you. He showed he doesn't care about his fans beyond conning them to think he cares when he laughed at their pain when vftw first started bashing the fans.
This is a guy used to saying fuck you to the world,,,he is not gonna care about your pain for more than an instant..he just isn't apparently made that way but I do think his mom is but you don't want to bring her more pain than good and the balance has now tipped..maybe if she wasn't so sick, but it is unfair to ask her to help you and bring the burden that VFTW is putting on so many to her as a sick person with many responsibilities. if we can' handle it all how will she?
so now you resort to trying to get Joshia and go through Clinton to message you and take up your burden and anger and sorrow and feel guilty..did you go to Catholic school as you are pretty good with guilt or maybe you are a Jewish mom (:
The difference between you and him== both apparently thin skinned== is that you care about the other bnbs and he does not or not enough to step up to the plate or harm his career or safety. At least give yourself credit for that, Judy..at least it bothers you when people cry as it dd me and that is why I first lost my fervor for him...back when they started in on Angela and her family..
he just is not that caring that people were upset and angry...he was one of the few people who might have gotten them to stop but he chose not to..to me, you would be better off putting your commitment to those in your family and your online and offline friends than in this teenager.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject:
-Jane wrote:
she also said this on his page
May 25, 2008 9:24 PM
PART TWO of my jane like message: (I have in the past written in two part posts there)
What I didn't expect was the vile attacks my friends and I would receive for standing our ground in your defense, for following your rise to fame.
I have been made to feel ashamed for my allegiance to you and that is so not right. But I am powerless. So I will take my friends and my allegiance and my money and I will go away as vftw, you and Clinton have asked....good luck to you in all you do JL....it was fun....but I must move on to molest someone else...
Judy in Santa Cruz
wow..that is something that both Clinton and Josiah told her to leave,,she must have bothered them with messages as much as she did Sharon, but we all know she won't leave..I mean she used to post 10 out of 20 comments on his page. She is more obsessed than I was back in the day..I do not think she is being attacked for standing by Joshia who never asked her to do any of that. It is hard to understand the attacks to be honest.
..I think it is more from who worsters are than who she is but I do think she certainly did not help..I mean his myspace was crazy..like that curse-orama thing..just fucking bizarre..cuss words throw in with no connection to the sentence...just to support him in his desire to cuss.. it was unbelievable and how everyone was such a fan of underaged drinking after he showed how reckless he was driving 90 mph in the rain, doctors cussing out people who say her boss was upset that Josiah asked him to break the law and buy him Jack Daniels and how he passed out between shows and a Doctor is so crazy in love with him and obsessed that she is gonna tell the person to kill themselves..what kind of example is that for her kids and what kind of people live in these high echelons of society" that she and Judy inhabit that they are gonna act so disrespectfully..naturally that is gonna come back on you in some way or the other..they were bad example to kids and they were not promoting the right thing in my view and they were always promoting themselves and holding themselves in higher esteem than others.
Standing your ground and defending him was not why you were attacked and you saying this shows me that you are trying to use what happened to make him feel obligated to you and say something in your defense and I don't think is gonna happen,.,if he didn't do it before for Candice and me and Angela and Debra all some of his biggest fans back then, he likely is not gonna do it for you.
You do not have to be guilty for liking Josiah but if you stay after repeatedly saying you are leaving you look bad and might be ashamed of that. either leave or stay but don't manipulate. Some things you cannot change only avoid or accept and other people is usually one of them..sometimes life does have a way, I have seen time and again, for making a person walk in the shoes of others they hurt so they understand and maybe are brought to repentance for their own good, but this does not always happen. I personally do believe in God..though lately I have doubted Him in my suffering..but even as I type these words of anger and unkindness. I know someday I will need to be responsible for them and will see how they affected you and others. The same will happen to us all.
The human soul cries out for justice on a world full of injustice. I have to believe someday there is accountability and justice but hopefully, mercy, too. We all have said things we later regret in the heat of our emotions and our dysfunctional past hurts.
Do you think, Judy, I don't feel powerless listening to you and Karen repeat the lies that I am crazy and psychotic and schizophrenic and have multiple personalities knowing that if lies are said often enough people believe them..what you did to me and the things you said behind my back were just as vile as the worsters and you know it. Karma hurts doesn't it?
I find it amazing that Clinton who is a sweet guy and Josiah asked you to leave, but we know you won't...you might leave the page but you are going to still obsess over him and keep it all alive amongst your friends.
I know both you and I would be better focusing our time on real life and something useful like volunteering, but it seems so far neither of us has succeeded in that..sometimes things are blessing in disguise.
When you first read this, it will make you angry, later when you calm down reread it..it will still make you mad but there are things in here that might help you too, Even Karen reluctantly said sso on two occasions, my words helped her though she is certainly gonna hate me when I am done with her if I move on to her as her letter to smartie was much more offensive to me than yours where you mentioned me above.
and BTW, if you are his woman as Donna contends, I guess it isn't molestation, but it looks like he doesn't want you taking part in Moris-less group orgy but don't forget to recycle that paper bags somehow for the good of the planet. we must all do our part.
You have this solace, his page is so boring without you all's antics that people are turning more to read VFTW and you get more exposure that way of your purty pictures and now you are getting more press time there so you will still bee in people's minds.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject:
I am looking for a good nickname for Judy and Debra c..if anyone has one please let me know.
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